Episode 08 - The Girl Next Door - Kailee Morgue

00:00:00.000 Guests of the Altwire podcast are recorded remotely. Due to the nature of remote recording, the quality of our guest audio may differ between episodes. 00:00:07.400 Although we go to great lengths to apply noise reduction and reverb reduction, certain issues may still remain. 00:00:13.260 We appreciate your understanding and we hope you enjoy the show. 00:00:25.260 Hello, and thank you for tuning in to the Altwire podcast. 00:00:28.260 I'm your host Derek Oswald, and today we have a special guest joining us, the incredible Kailee Morgue. 00:00:34.260 You may have heard her vocals on Mike Shinoda's latest hit "In My Head", which appeared on the Scream 6 soundtrack. 00:00:41.260 In this episode, we'll dive into the stories behind her music, as well as the experiences that have shaped her remarkable journey. 00:00:48.260 Also, if you've ever wondered what makes her tick or what shows she loves to binge watch, 00:00:52.260 Well, you're in for a treat as we explore all this and more in this episode of the Altwire podcast. 00:00:57.260 The Altwire podcast starts now. 00:01:00.260 Thank you so much for joining us today. How you doing, Kailee? 00:01:06.260 I'm pretty good. Thanks for having me. 00:01:08.260 I'm glad to have you with us. 00:01:10.260 I wanted to start off by congratulating you on scoring such a big honor by appearing on the Scream soundtrack. 00:01:16.260 Thank you. 00:01:17.260 Not only was your voice featured in one of the biggest horror movies so far this year, 00:01:22.260 but it also held a big role in the intro and credits. 00:01:25.260 As a noted fan of the Scream franchise, what emotions did you feel suddenly having a song that you performed on, 00:01:32.260 blasting on thousands of movie screens worldwide? 00:01:34.260 It was a lot. I mean, first of all, I hadn't seen it prior to a private screening that we did. 00:01:40.260 did. So I was in a theater doing a private screening with the Linkin Park fans and my 00:01:46.020 fans. I had no idea when it was going to play. I didn't know because I'm only really singing 00:01:51.060 on the chorus. So I was like, I don't know what part of the song is going to play. And 00:01:54.900 it was just so crazy to see the title sequence and see it saying Scream and then it's my 00:02:01.740 voice, as the first voice that you hear. So it was just a really weird moment. It's kind 00:02:08.700 of funny because I think this whole experience has taught me that I'm a very calm, subdued 00:02:14.340 person because I was like, I'm screaming right now. But on the outside, I'm just like, 00:02:18.140 Oh my God, this is so cool. So it was definitely... It was just a lot. It was very overwhelming 00:02:24.340 because I do just love Scream. I don't think there's a better franchise to be in the opening 00:02:29.620 credits of a movie. It was just such a big moment for me as a horror fan, a slasher fan. 00:02:34.740 I would have gone and seen the movie anyways. 00:02:36.880 I was so excited about Scream 6 coming out. 00:02:38.880 Regardless, like I was just, uh, 00:02:40.920 even that much more excited to go to the theater and like, 00:02:43.620 hear my voice on in the movie. 00:02:45.620 It was surprising for me how early it featured in the movie as well, 00:02:49.740 because yes, I'm into Linkin Park. I like Mike Shinoda's music. 00:02:53.100 So I knew that he had some songs on the soundtrack. 00:02:56.500 So I sit down with my popcorn, I'm getting ready to watch it. 00:02:59.240 And it's literally in the first five seconds of the film. I'm like, well, 00:03:02.780 There's no better place to have a song than the beginning of the film. 00:03:05.780 That's what I'm saying. It's just awesome. And also, like, 00:03:08.420 I think there's just a whole other element to having a song in a show or a 00:03:14.020 movie, because, um, I think music is really timeless as it is, but there's like, 00:03:18.060 it's forever going to be something that people hear for years because this 00:03:22.380 franchise is so famous and the movie is just also incredibly done. 00:03:26.460 So it really like immortalizes this song in a way that I don't think I've ever 00:03:30.460 experienced as an artist. 00:03:31.740 So it was just really surreal. 00:03:32.940 I loved it too. 00:03:34.460 You know, it was one of those things where I got to be honest, when franchises 00:03:38.060 go on, sometimes they overstay their welcome. 00:03:40.980 And when I saw that they were making a Scream 6, got to be honest, when I first 00:03:45.900 saw it, I was like, Oh brother. 00:03:46.980 You know, I was thinking, Oh great. 00:03:48.180 You know, is this going to be any good or is it just going to rehash the same 00:03:51.540 bullshit that every sixth movie in a franchise does? 00:03:54.100 Because no knack on Fast and Furious, I know people like it, but we're 10 movies 00:03:57.380 deep now, I think we're ready to put the nail in the coffin here. 00:04:00.380 I mean, it's kind of like, I mean, even paranormal activity to a certain extent, there's just 00:04:04.820 like a lot of horror franchises specifically too, where you're like around movie number 00:04:09.820 four, like you're kind of tapped out. Like most people are like, Oh, I've seen the sixth 00:04:13.020 one or the seventh one. It's like 90% of the original viewers have not seen that. And it's 00:04:17.660 just like, I think, I mean, I think that they did a really good job with Scream as far as 00:04:23.020 bringing back the old cast and making it feel new, even though it is the sixth movie. Um, 00:04:27.900 I think there's like, like the newer Halloweens are really cool. 00:04:30.300 Like there's a cool way of doing it, but there's definitely, 00:04:32.780 there's definitely people that drop the ball and it's like, okay, 00:04:35.060 like we're on the 10th movie here. What are we doing? 00:04:37.060 And I absolutely agree. 00:04:39.420 I think Scream 6 is probably one of the better movies in the franchise. 00:04:43.620 I think it almost was like a soft reboot, 00:04:46.220 even though they didn't intend it to be so they kind of made it. 00:04:49.500 So if they wanted to, 00:04:50.600 they could go with that central cast of characters for the next few films. 00:04:53.780 Also, it's, it's the first one that's not in Woodsboro 00:04:57.180 and I didn't even really notice. 00:04:59.060 I don't know why until after the movie, 00:05:00.740 'cause you know when there's the Jason... 00:05:03.700 What is that movie called? 00:05:04.620 I forgot the specific title. 00:05:05.780 He's in New York. 00:05:06.980 I think it's literally called Jason Hits New York 00:05:09.540 or something like that. 00:05:11.020 But I didn't notice that. 00:05:12.980 I didn't feel like it was missing any of the charm 00:05:16.100 of the old actors. 00:05:18.380 Neve Campbell not being in it, 00:05:19.700 I thought was gonna really make it feel 00:05:21.220 so different and crazy, 00:05:22.780 but it was really well done. 00:05:24.340 Also, it was scary to me. 00:05:26.460 It was the first scream that I was like, Oh, this is... 00:05:28.460 It's like funny at certain moments, 00:05:30.060 'cause I think that Scream has always been 00:05:31.180 kind of like a horror comedy, 00:05:32.140 but it was actually like kind of gory and scary, 00:05:35.020 which reminds me I need to go see Evil Dead, 00:05:37.420 but I'm like kind of scared 00:05:38.940 'cause it seems like it's legit scary, so. 00:05:42.140 Evil Dead, I'm gonna be honest with you, 00:05:45.100 it is a bit much. 00:05:48.220 I am the type of person where, 00:05:49.660 although I don't get scared easily, 00:05:51.420 I get very anxious. 00:05:52.620 And the new Evil Dead had me a bit anxious, 00:05:56.140 but it is one of the, I'd say one of the best horror movies in the last 15 years, actually. 00:06:00.860 I've heard only great, great things. I was surprised because I thought you were going 00:06:05.100 to say you didn't like it for a second, but everyone is saying that they're going and loving 00:06:08.300 it. I think I'm the same way. It's crazy that I'm a horror movie fanatic, but I actually do 00:06:15.020 get anxious in theaters because I think it's just so loud. I don't know what to expect. 00:06:19.180 Also with Evil Dead, we're talking about a franchise that started with really almost 00:06:23.500 comical practical effects, you know what I mean? 00:06:26.100 So to see it be something now that's actually like terrifying, that does scare me a bit 00:06:31.180 because I'm like, oh my God, I mean, the trailer scared me and like not many trailers have 00:06:35.260 scared me since I was like a kid. 00:06:37.020 So it makes me nervous for sure. 00:06:38.660 But everyone I've talked to about it says it's really, really good. 00:06:41.380 So I definitely need to see it. 00:06:42.380 I love when like we're saying like reboots happen or these things that actually are great 00:06:46.900 because there's a lot of interesting ones. 00:06:50.260 I'm pretty curious, how did the collaboration 00:06:52.420 with Mike Shinoda for this track come about? 00:06:54.380 Were you a Linkin Park fan before this? 00:06:57.260 - Yeah, I was actually. 00:06:58.320 So I had grown up listening to Linkin Park. 00:07:01.660 I mean, my whole childhood was pretty much just rock music. 00:07:04.980 And so that's what's kind of interesting 00:07:06.780 that I started off as like a dark pop artist. 00:07:08.900 And I know a lot of people like pivoted into rock 00:07:11.780 and it was like, kind of came out of nowhere, 00:07:13.340 but for me it was so natural 00:07:14.860 because I've always loved rock music and alternatives. 00:07:17.900 I was such a huge fan of all these bands. 00:07:20.680 Linkin Park was a band that I heard. 00:07:23.140 I think they were just unavoidable. 00:07:25.540 They're so popular, so big. 00:07:28.100 These songs, my sister would be blasting that song, 00:07:31.540 Numb in her room. 00:07:33.140 I would also hear it on the radio at water parks growing up. 00:07:35.940 It was everywhere. So it's such a weird moment 00:07:38.580 to be in his house and recording this song. 00:07:41.700 We actually had met a year prior to this collab. 00:07:45.220 Just because he does a lot of research on up-and-coming artists and reaches out. 00:07:50.180 And he's so talented across the board, even outside of Linkin Park. 00:07:53.940 So he does his Fort Minor stuff. He does his Mike Shinoda stuff. 00:07:57.380 So he just reaches out to new artists and produces stuff, 00:08:01.780 wants to work with them, write with them. 00:08:03.220 So we'd met a year prior and did a session. 00:08:05.380 And then I had gone off about six months later and done a Scream-inspired music video. 00:08:14.180 And that probably, I'm assuming, planted the seed in his head. So six months later, 00:08:20.740 when he's looking for a female vocalist, I think my branding around them was just so built around 00:08:27.380 horror movies. I had Buffy the Vampire Slayer makeup on my album cover. It was also on-brand 00:08:34.900 and Paramount loved me for it. So I think it just clicked because of that. And then 00:08:39.860 Luckily, when we went to go make the song too, 00:08:42.100 it all... The vocal really elevated the song and I added harmonies and it seemed like... 00:08:47.300 I mean, it ended up being exactly what he had imagined, 00:08:50.420 but I definitely was worried because I have a very soft approach to how I sing. 00:08:54.660 And he was like, All right, I need you to scream. 00:08:57.060 Like we did a lot of... No pun intended. 00:09:00.260 But we did a lot of vocal takes. 00:09:02.340 It was a long day of just nailing what the vibe of the song was. 00:09:06.020 I'm really happy that it ended up being not only something that we both really, really 00:09:11.020 loved but something that seems to have resonated with the Scream fans because it is a pretty 00:09:16.980 central moment in the beginning of the film. 00:09:19.380 It's played in the credits. 00:09:20.900 And we also didn't make a music video for it. 00:09:22.780 So we got to get super creative with funny ghost face previews leading up to the song 00:09:27.540 coming out. 00:09:28.540 It was a really fun time to get creative with the marketing behind it. 00:09:32.220 [Music] 00:10:02.180 There are two schools of thought with Buffy fans. 00:10:05.860 There are people who feel the show should have ended with season five as was intended. 00:10:11.620 And then there's other people who like the fact that they tried to squeeze, you know, 00:10:16.460 two more seasons out of it before ending officially. 00:10:19.420 What side of the fence are you on? 00:10:20.980 Okay, so I'm going to sound like such a such a poser right now, like everyone's going to 00:10:26.140 call me out. 00:10:27.460 I've only seen the first three seasons. 00:10:29.820 (both laughing) 00:10:31.740 Everyone's gonna be like, Girl, you referenced this 00:10:33.500 and haven't seen the whole show. 00:10:34.900 And I'm like, Listen, I have to be, 00:10:37.020 it has to be October. 00:10:38.660 I go into my mode when I watch all these shows around fall. 00:10:43.180 And then when it comes to winter, spring, summer, 00:10:45.860 I'm watching different stuff. 00:10:47.060 I'm watching my 90s, I'm watching Dawson's Creek. 00:10:51.160 (laughs) 00:10:52.260 So I kind of just slowly over time watch shows. 00:10:56.700 I'm not like, I'm a binger when it comes to like, 00:10:59.780 true crime and drama, but with these comfort shows, 00:11:02.860 it's more of like, I try to milk it 00:11:05.140 and like watch it as slowly as possible so it never ends. 00:11:08.260 - Yeah. 00:11:09.100 - So I have only seen up to season three, 00:11:10.860 but I felt that way about shows before. 00:11:14.540 So I think I'm sure like once I arrive there, 00:11:18.620 I usually am on the side of like preserving a show 00:11:22.860 if it means like ending it sooner, 00:11:25.020 just because I think sometimes there's a lot of shows 00:11:28.020 that went to shit once they're trying to delay the ending, 00:11:31.540 they want to make more episodes, more money. 00:11:33.900 The writing kind of isn't true to how the actual story 00:11:37.620 would have been, the characters kind of start changing. 00:11:39.700 So that's usually how I feel about that stuff. 00:11:42.580 Even there's shows that you watch, 00:11:44.240 like Freaks and Geeks for example, it's one season. 00:11:46.540 And I'm like, I don't think it, 00:11:48.160 if it were to have deviated or had just, 00:11:51.180 the story wouldn't have been that great, 00:11:52.500 maybe it should have just been one season. 00:11:53.900 You know what I mean? 00:11:54.740 So I'm definitely on the side of preserving shows 00:11:58.100 if it means staying true to the writing. 00:12:00.380 - Well, if it makes you feel any better, 00:12:02.200 I too have not completed Buffy. 00:12:04.460 - Okay, okay. 00:12:05.420 I was like, Oh my God. - I got up to 00:12:07.060 the middle of season six, 00:12:09.140 and this drives my girlfriend nuts. 00:12:12.100 We go headfirst into a show, watch it for a while, 00:12:16.980 and then I go, You know, I think I kinda need 00:12:19.100 a break from this. 00:12:20.240 So we go and start another show, 00:12:22.100 and then we never return to it. 00:12:23.500 Me too. 00:12:24.500 It's so funny. We only just recently 00:12:26.960 finished Sons of Anarchy. 00:12:28.460 I've been watching Supernatural and 00:12:31.260 I'm up to season eight. 00:12:32.980 Oh, my God. 00:12:33.860 I think we're going to finish it 00:12:35.000 without taking a break. 00:12:36.020 That's crazy. I mean, that's a long 00:12:37.860 run right there. That's like. 00:12:38.860 Oh, my God. It's a grind. 00:12:41.340 I mean, if it makes you feel better, 00:12:43.460 like every like. 00:12:44.740 OK, so I'm on season two of 00:12:46.020 Succession and everyone's freaking out 00:12:47.820 about it. Like the new season. 00:12:49.380 And I still I'm like, I'm I just need 00:12:51.260 to be in the right mood to watch it. 00:12:52.380 Like I am such I used to, it's crazy because I used to be able to really like watch six 00:12:58.020 seasons of a show and like be like I can run through it. 00:13:01.780 And now that I'm an adult, I think like I just have other things to do. 00:13:05.620 And like I like to, I just like when I watch a certain show, I sometimes need a break and 00:13:10.620 need to watch something that's in a completely different genre and like different vibe and 00:13:14.640 then come back to it. 00:13:15.860 Um, cause sometimes that's, I'm saying with the Buffy thing, like I will appreciate it more 00:13:20.860 when I've given myself a little bit of a break 00:13:22.360 and I come back to it, 00:13:23.360 and I am not just watching it to get through it. 00:13:26.840 Like I'm watching it 'cause I miss how it feels 00:13:29.320 and I like how the story is developing. 00:13:32.400 But yeah, sometimes it's rough. 00:13:34.840 Like that's why I don't know 00:13:36.200 if I'll ever watch Game of Thrones 00:13:37.480 'cause I feel like there's so much ground to cover 00:13:40.480 that I just don't know if I can ever like sit through it. 00:13:43.440 - I will give you the following advice 00:13:45.080 when it comes to Game of Thrones. 00:13:47.000 I started and stopped that show three times. 00:13:50.400 Okay. 00:13:51.000 Because the first season has a lot of buildup. 00:13:54.900 And it was one of those things where every single episode of it feels like a full-length movie, 00:13:58.800 even though it's only an hour. 00:13:59.900 Mm-hmm. 00:14:00.500 It's one of those things where it was like I kept on getting fatigued. 00:14:03.100 And, you know, finally, you know, girlfriend just said, Look, just stick with it. 00:14:08.500 Trust me. 00:14:09.300 It's worth it. 00:14:10.000 And it took a while, but yeah, we got through it and it was great. 00:14:14.300 I liked season eight. 00:14:16.100 Best thing I can say without spoiling it is that 00:14:18.800 the reason people don't like season eight 00:14:21.260 is because they feel a certain turn 00:14:24.080 within a certain character was, no pun intended, 00:14:28.360 out of character for that person. 00:14:30.360 But my whole point is if you watched their family history 00:14:35.160 and the lore around their family in the show, 00:14:39.040 you should have seen it coming. 00:14:40.980 So for anybody to suddenly be like, 00:14:42.520 Oh, that's out of character. 00:14:43.800 I'm like, Have you been paying attention 00:14:44.960 to the entire show. 00:14:45.960 Have you ever seen, uh, have you ever seen Weeds? 00:14:48.960 Oh, you know what? 00:14:50.520 It's kind of funny speaking of Linkin Park. 00:14:52.240 There was one season of Weeds where, I don't know if they did it all the time, but if it 00:14:55.000 was just one season, where they had a different artist doing the theme song and Linkin Park 00:14:59.680 did one of those. 00:15:01.080 Why did I not know that? 00:15:02.080 Oh my God, I need to Google this. 00:15:04.420 It's because it sounds nothing like Linkin Park. 00:15:07.580 When you finally hear it, you're going to be surprised. 00:15:10.360 Like you'll hear it and you'll be like, Oh yeah, that's Chester. 00:15:12.480 But he sings in such a high voice, almost like a lullaby, that when you hear it, you're 00:15:18.080 like, Oh, that's Linkin Park. 00:15:20.000 I literally can't even picture him singing that, like, 'cause it's like, Little boxes 00:15:24.120 on the hillside. 00:15:25.120 That's crazy. 00:15:26.120 That's even more full circle, 'cause that's like my favorite show ever. 00:15:29.420 I brought that up, though, because I was gonna say season five of Weeds is like really 00:15:33.480 hard to get through. 00:15:34.480 It's like, I think every show has that one season that you're like, Okay, like, I have 00:15:38.080 to make a decision here if I'm going to just never finish a show ever, if I'm going to 00:15:42.960 get through the season. I don't know if it's season three or season five. There's one of 00:15:45.800 the seasons where it's just like such a departure that it's outrageous. It's like, Okay, I 00:15:51.720 don't know what's happening here. But it's a really good show. That's interesting. I'm 00:15:56.000 definitely curious. I'm like, I want to hear this. 00:15:57.000 [Music] 00:16:47.000 That's crazy! 00:16:50.000 I love that they kind of were like, Oh, we're gonna do this theme song, 00:16:54.000 but then they were like, It's not gonna sound like Linkin Park at all. 00:16:57.000 Like you guys are not going to get what you want. 00:16:58.480 Like it's just going to be our, it was kind of cool take on it. 00:17:00.840 Like I kind of love that they did that. 00:17:02.160 You know, you being a fan, I think you'll agree. 00:17:04.280 One of my favorite things that the band has ever done is One More Light. 00:17:08.640 And the reason why is because it pissed so many people off. 00:17:11.920 Oh yeah. We've talked about this. 00:17:13.720 You and Mike talked about it? 00:17:16.200 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's just, cause I think it's, 00:17:18.640 I think it's just funny to like do things as an artist. 00:17:22.480 It's like when you have so many expectations and people that are expecting 00:17:26.480 something of you, like it's so, I don't think there's anything more like rock 00:17:29.600 and roll than just being like, I don't care. 00:17:31.400 Like, this is just kind of hilarious. 00:17:34.120 I think that's why I respect artists that do that. 00:17:37.440 Like, I'll be completely honest. 00:17:39.000 I'll probably get some hate for this. 00:17:40.200 Not 100% a fan of the direction Paramore has gone in, but I applaud them heavily 00:17:47.400 for not sounding like quote unquote Paramore because there are some bands 00:17:52.040 where they'll, they'll ride that train their entire career. 00:17:55.800 They might change things a little bit, maybe add a synth here or there, 00:17:58.520 but they're the same band the entire time. 00:18:00.600 Also, I think it's like, 00:18:02.000 I think it's so interesting when people don't understand that, like for Paramore, 00:18:07.280 for example, like you said, you don't have to, 00:18:09.280 it doesn't have to be your cup of tea because it is not really like the same 00:18:12.440 band anymore, but it's like, this is, 00:18:16.440 we're talking years now since they put out their first two or three albums, 00:18:21.440 like that really defined what Paramore is. They're all older. 00:18:25.400 They're all in their mid to late 30s. 00:18:27.040 They're like, Okay, are we really going to be the same thing for so many years? 00:18:30.840 And I think as a listener, 00:18:32.760 you might not know that as the artist, 00:18:34.880 we have to evolve and we have to change because that inspiration, 00:18:39.720 if you're doing the same thing for 15 years, 00:18:42.200 you're not going to even care to be writing these songs anymore. 00:18:45.600 Because it's like, I'm doing the same thing over and over and over again. 00:18:47.880 And I've even done versions of that. 00:18:49.720 I've changed the course of what my sound is, 00:18:53.120 what I'm writing about, what my hair looks like. I'll change, I'll reinvent myself completely 00:18:57.980 for the sake of staying inspired and finding that spark as an artist. Because it's you, 00:19:04.320 it's always going to be a means to an end if you are never evolving. So I do always 00:19:09.360 have respect for people that just pivot completely and are like, No, I'm going to do this now. 00:19:13.720 Whoever likes it, likes it. Whoever doesn't, I don't care. It's so, so necessary as an 00:19:17.700 artist to do that. 00:19:19.060 What was it like working with Mike Shinoda as a producer? 00:19:23.600 What are some takeaways and things that you learned from him? 00:19:25.940 Not just in the studio, but having conversations like you mentioned. 00:19:29.900 What were some of your biggest lessons from him? 00:19:31.720 I mean, as far as like, yeah, in the studio, he's just, he's a very smart person. 00:19:37.020 And I think there's a lot of actual like strategy that comes to recording songs. 00:19:42.700 There's different like notes that he was giving me for singing and like how we even just wrote 00:19:48.140 a track the other day, just aside from him and I collabing just to produce some stuff 00:19:53.420 for me. 00:19:54.420 And he has such an interesting way of looking at music and saying what you want to say in 00:19:59.780 a way that is still... You're still thinking about strategizing and like, Well, what does 00:20:07.980 this song really mean? 00:20:08.980 Yeah, we can sit here and pour our hearts out, but how are we packaging this into something 00:20:13.180 that relates to everyone because I definitely, I definitely will write things sometimes that 00:20:18.340 are so obscure and like so personal that I box myself into something that not everyone 00:20:24.200 can understand. And I think that that even speaks to like Linkin Park and how they kind 00:20:29.760 of like just connected with so many people because there's a line between being so so 00:20:35.620 personal and writing about these situations and including everyone in that. Um, so he's 00:20:41.780 really taught me that. And I also think just as a human, it's been so refreshing and restored 00:20:48.140 my faith in humanity that someone that is that successful and has everything is... He's 00:20:54.220 just a nice person. And I think it's like, there's no reason for him to be seeking out 00:21:01.260 up-and-coming artists and helping people and doing all that. But he's choosing to do that. 00:21:05.540 It's so inspiring to see his house and meet his kids and see what he's built from music. 00:21:12.940 Because I think so many artists are like... Right now especially, touring is weird. I 00:21:18.180 think it's just hard. It's hard to be an artist. It's hard to make money. It's hard to be vulnerable 00:21:24.460 and do this all the time. So it's just really pushed me to continue doing this and continue 00:21:30.740 fighting for it because he's just built such an amazing thing from music and being passionate 00:21:37.460 and being a good person. 00:21:39.020 So it was just so cool that he's not an asshole. 00:21:41.060 There's so many people like that that are so successful and forget that it's free to 00:21:49.020 be kind. 00:21:50.020 You know what I mean? 00:21:51.740 And you're absolutely right. 00:21:52.780 I think that was one of the biggest things that I worried about growing up and wanting 00:21:58.820 to get into music reporting and eventually doing a music podcast. 00:22:02.260 I always heard the old adage, never meet your idols. 00:22:06.820 And you're absolutely right. 00:22:08.660 It's free to be friendly. 00:22:09.820 You don't have to be an asshole, especially to somebody who looks up to 00:22:12.580 you or wants to learn from you. 00:22:13.700 And I've been thankful, knock on wood, that the majority of people I've spoken 00:22:18.220 to have been very genuine, very friendly, but you know, hasn't always been that way. 00:22:23.100 Speaking of people that inspire you, you've also made no secret of your love 00:22:27.860 for the pop icons of the 1990s and the 2000s. 00:22:31.760 What icons have inspired you the most 00:22:34.380 and what aspects of that era of pop culture 00:22:37.580 resonate with you the most? 00:22:39.180 - Oh my gosh, don't get me started. 00:22:40.340 Here we go. 00:22:41.540 I love, so a lot of the time I've been like, 00:22:44.620 in saying, bringing up these artists 00:22:46.500 is when I'm talking about my last album specifically, 00:22:49.260 but I've always been so, so obsessed with the 90s, 00:22:51.900 obsessed with these figures. 00:22:53.640 So with my last album, 00:22:55.040 I was really like diving into Alanis Morissette specifically because I think there's something 00:23:01.560 about that era that's so charming because all of the pop stars and rock stars were just 00:23:07.520 like normal people. 00:23:09.020 And they like for Alanis to do massive, massive shows and come out on stage in baggy shirts 00:23:14.880 and jeans like that's so badass to me. 00:23:17.160 That's like, that's such a rock star statement to me that she would just like minimal makeup 00:23:22.880 whip her hair around, just be so unapologetically feminine in a way that's not like cutesy and 00:23:30.440 I have to be sexy. 00:23:32.480 She kind of was just like, I'm gonna get on stage however I'm comfortable. 00:23:37.160 I'm gonna write about things that maybe you don't want to hear and you're gonna be okay 00:23:40.120 with that. 00:23:41.120 Her biggest songs were these unapologetic anthems of her just being angry and real. 00:23:47.160 There's so many songs too that I think I personally and other artists can relate to of hers where 00:23:52.000 where she's talking specifically about labels, 00:23:54.200 about men in the industry that forget her name 00:23:57.060 and only care about just talking to her 00:23:59.900 and being weird and flirty. 00:24:01.120 And there's so many things that are so specific 00:24:03.420 to being a woman in the music industry that are so cool. 00:24:06.160 I also really like Liz Phair. 00:24:08.580 She's kind of in that same era. 00:24:09.900 She actually has a book called Horror Stories 00:24:13.100 kind of about different vignettes of her life 00:24:15.720 as an artist and a woman. 00:24:18.380 And there's just like, there's something about 00:24:22.100 like female pop acts at that time 00:24:23.540 that was just so genuine. 00:24:26.740 And there was no like untouchable, 00:24:29.260 I'm wearing sequins and bras and like all these crazy, 00:24:33.060 you know, pieces that separate me from you. 00:24:35.300 Like I'm on stage with like a backup dancers. 00:24:37.780 Like they were all just kind of like, 00:24:40.140 might as, they could have been anyone in the crowd 00:24:42.180 that just walked up on stage. 00:24:43.180 You know what I mean? 00:24:44.020 There was this line of transparency of the 90s. 00:24:49.020 That's what I called it at that time. 00:24:50.620 It was the 90s normcore. 00:24:52.020 That's exactly how I dressed during my Girl Next Door era. 00:24:55.860 Because I was like, I'm embracing mundane things. 00:25:00.860 I'm embracing being an artist that isn't putting on 00:25:06.180 the glitter and the jewelry and all this stuff 00:25:07.960 to make myself seem more interesting. 00:25:10.860 Which is no knock to anyone else. 00:25:12.500 is that it's not real for me to do something like that. 00:25:14.900 That's not who I am. 00:25:15.740 So I was like, Okay, I don't need to go on stage 00:25:18.260 and have sequins and all these things 00:25:20.620 and act like I'm some untouchable diva 00:25:22.600 because I'm awkward, I make jokes on stage. 00:25:25.120 I will point out when I mess up. 00:25:28.340 I'm very transparent. 00:25:29.420 And for me, the '90s is only people like that 00:25:33.100 that were like, I'm going to be human 00:25:35.540 and you're still gonna listen to my music 00:25:37.740 and connect with it because that's what I'm writing about 00:25:41.240 what I'm trying to do. So yeah, I just find it very charming. 00:25:44.360 The whole area. I also love like wrestling from that era. 00:25:46.600 It's like the attitude era. It's so cool. 00:25:48.760 It's like everything around them in pop culture. 00:25:51.000 Like I'm just obsessed with. 00:25:52.120 When you say wrestling, it just makes me laugh. 00:25:55.120 I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Macho Man Randy Savage. 00:26:01.080 I have a soft spot for like everyone in that era. 00:26:03.840 Like again, this is we're talking about like a year ago that I was like so, 00:26:08.680 so into the nineties. So it's been a while, 00:26:10.720 but I would just put on all of the old matches 00:26:15.200 and Hell in a Cell, is that what it's called? 00:26:17.960 Just for the vibes, the nostalgia. 00:26:19.720 'Cause also my dad is super into wrestling, 00:26:21.880 so it's more just like a family thing, 00:26:23.360 but I think it's hilarious. 00:26:25.560 I'm honestly really glad that WWE is making a comeback 00:26:29.280 and all these influencers and YouTubers are trying it, 00:26:31.880 'cause I'm like, why not? 00:26:33.240 It's really so ridiculous and so funny. 00:26:36.000 Johnny Knoxville was on WWE a couple years ago 00:26:38.800 and it was so great. 00:26:40.400 I just because I love jackass too. 00:26:41.840 So it's just like all my favorite things sometimes overlap and it's just 00:26:45.880 amazing. Like I said, 00:26:47.640 I think it's awesome that WWE is like so important to people again and that like 00:26:51.200 new this new generation of kids get to see like YouTubers and stuff on 00:26:56.160 there. 00:26:56.800 But there's just something about the mystique 00:27:01.600 of these characters at that time. That was just so like, it was so important. 00:27:05.880 Like even like, just like there, there will never be somebody like the Undertaker. 00:27:08.640 There'll never be somebody like Stone Cold. 00:27:10.880 There were these people who were pop stars in their own way. 00:27:15.520 These were rock stars. 00:27:16.520 These were huge, huge figures that were so cool and so interesting. 00:27:22.760 I think it's like... 00:27:23.760 And maybe that was just going from the '80s and going from hair metal and just this super 00:27:28.380 costumey era of style and pop culture that burst the '90s, which was so great. 00:27:34.080 Because they were just like, Okay, now we're getting rid of all the costumes. 00:27:37.000 We're getting rid of... 00:27:38.000 to be like kind of funny, stupid shit. 00:27:40.160 Um, but yeah, I just, I absolutely adore that era. 00:27:43.760 So speaking of Girl Next Door, since you were talking about how part of that was 00:27:49.040 inspired by that whole 90s feel and aesthetic, in a note you wrote for that 00:27:53.680 album, you expressed that the album began as an attempt to change your perspective 00:27:57.640 and get past your grief and insecurities. 00:27:59.640 Looking at the person you were starting out versus what you've now become, how 00:28:04.080 would you frame your current perspective on life? 00:28:07.080 Yeah, I guess everything is just... I think in simple terms, it really was more of a transitioning 00:28:14.200 phase of my life from being kind of... Going from being a teenage girl, 00:28:19.400 having the hardest, hardest year of my life when I was 20. I lost somebody really close to me. 00:28:25.480 I decided to get sober because I was struggling with alcohol addiction and drug addiction. So I 00:28:32.600 I had a lot of things pivot for me when I was 20. 00:28:36.440 And some of the songs I wrote for, 00:28:40.080 or like about 21 actually, 00:28:41.480 so some of the songs I wrote for Girl Next Door 00:28:43.200 started around then. 00:28:44.760 And the first one on the album that I ever wrote, 00:28:48.480 which is like, what I didn't intend it to be on this album, 00:28:51.440 like I didn't know what I was making at the time, 00:28:53.240 but it was Loser. 00:28:54.600 And that track, like you can even tell 00:28:56.660 that being the first song I wrote, it's so negative. 00:28:59.560 And so just like giving into what everyone thought about me, 00:29:03.920 giving into like how my dad spoke about me. 00:29:06.120 So I was very at the time indulging in this like hate for myself and just like, 00:29:11.520 Oh, like I'm not going to amount to anything. Like I just, 00:29:13.800 I have these addiction issues. I'm like, I have all these other issues. Um, 00:29:18.080 and kind of like just, yeah, I guess like being a big baby and just being, well, 00:29:22.000 I'm just going to be sad about this. 00:29:23.280 And I think towards the end, like one of the, 00:29:28.400 The last songs I wrote for the album was Good Day to Be My Dealer, which is also kind of like that, but it's way more witty. 00:29:35.400 I had this humor that started to change over time where I was kind of like, Is it that deep though? 00:29:41.920 It's kind of funny. It's kind of hilarious. 00:29:45.440 And I think you have to lighten up as a human, as an adult, because there's things now where I'm almost 25 now, 00:29:53.680 that if I handed 17-year-old me some of the things that have happened to me now, 00:30:00.320 she would have been like, Oh my god, I can't do this. She would have been freaking out. 00:30:03.520 And now it's just like there's a certain lightness to how I view things and how I 00:30:08.560 feel because I can just roll with the punches more. I think I really have experienced loss, 00:30:15.200 for example, in a way that makes you so appreciative of what you have. And it made 00:30:20.400 me feel so silly, I guess, for being so sad about my little issues when there's things 00:30:26.520 that are so much bigger than me at work. 00:30:29.920 And there's people that are... 00:30:33.600 There's a lot more important things than the small things that I chose to focus on and 00:30:37.480 spiral about. 00:30:38.480 So I really have practiced having positive self-talk and believing that I can do this 00:30:46.280 music stuff, believing that I'm going to be okay because it starts there. 00:30:49.640 If I don't believe that any of this stuff's gonna work out, 00:30:51.480 if I don't believe that life is great, 00:30:54.000 and I'm just pretending that I think that, 00:30:56.020 then it's never gonna change. 00:30:57.000 Also, my dad's a therapist, 00:30:58.520 so this is a constant conversation. 00:31:00.760 This is in my ear constantly. 00:31:01.880 He's like, No, you have to, 00:31:03.360 one of the best things he ever taught me, 00:31:05.800 there's two things, 00:31:06.920 was you have to know the truth about yourself, 00:31:11.580 and you decide what those truths are. 00:31:13.280 If you think you're smart, you think you're capable, 00:31:15.920 you will be those things, and you will decide those things, 00:31:18.640 Those are your truths. 00:31:19.600 No one can shake them from you. 00:31:21.520 If someone calls you stupid, then you're like, 00:31:22.780 All right, I know my truth, I know I'm smart. 00:31:25.600 So he taught me that, 00:31:26.760 and so that instilled a confidence in me. 00:31:29.000 And then also he taught me, 00:31:30.460 and this is really the turning point, to be present. 00:31:35.320 Because he's like, Yeah, when you're at the grocery store 00:31:37.800 and you're waiting in line to pay for groceries, 00:31:41.340 you can do one of two things. 00:31:43.700 You can be annoyed and impatient, 00:31:46.020 and like, oh, I just wanna do this, 00:31:47.280 and I'm constantly waiting to get out of the store so that I can go eat and I'm waiting 00:31:50.640 to meet up with this person. 00:31:51.640 It's like, you're constantly waiting for things or you can be there and treat everything as 00:31:56.440 an experience, not just the things that you want and the things that you're waiting for. 00:32:01.080 It's like every small thing is an experience and life is just great, grand scheme. 00:32:06.560 So yeah, it's been a perspective change of like, when you're an adult, you have to realize 00:32:11.920 that things aren't that deep. 00:32:14.800 All these small things can be great. 00:32:16.360 So that's like my little tangent. 00:32:17.640 'Cause yeah, it's been a really long few years 00:32:22.640 of like internal therapy and just like changing those things 00:32:26.640 'cause you can't like dwell on everything, I think, 00:32:29.800 when you're kind of in your mid-20s 00:32:31.320 and like approaching adulthood, 00:32:32.320 you have to like, like, okay, like what's happening here? 00:32:35.040 Like, this is kind of not that crazy. 00:32:37.600 - That's a hard lesson to learn. 00:32:38.960 I had Andrew Hagar on the podcast before you 00:32:41.960 and he talked about the same thing, 00:32:43.920 about how important it is just to not only try to see, 00:32:48.920 be present and see the positives in things, 00:32:51.480 but also the importance of having a therapist. 00:32:53.840 Now, for you, it might be a little more weird 00:32:56.800 'cause your dad's a therapist, 00:32:57.760 so he's probably always trying to psychoanalyze you. 00:33:00.360 Would you say having a dad that's a therapist 00:33:03.280 is more helpful or more harmful, if you had to say? 00:33:06.480 - My dad, okay, so the thing is like, 00:33:08.320 he's so emotionally intelligent 00:33:10.120 that he doesn't psychoanalyze us 00:33:11.920 because he's like, I almost like for him, 00:33:14.980 that's like working off the clock. 00:33:16.740 He's like, that's gonna be $300 an hour actually. 00:33:19.460 I'm just kidding. 00:33:20.300 So yeah, he is like really respectful about boundaries. 00:33:25.300 Obviously, I'm just like, 00:33:27.260 I'm not gonna diagnose you with something 00:33:29.260 just 'cause like I'm your dad. 00:33:30.640 You know what I mean? 00:33:31.480 I think that if anything, 00:33:33.700 he just gives really, really great advice. 00:33:36.180 Like I will, he won't like seek out any sort of like 00:33:41.460 kind of issues and try to like pry. It's more like I'll kind of have a 00:33:45.000 conversation with him and get advice. And he's... It's crazy because before he was a 00:33:50.080 therapist, he was always like the best person to go to for advice. So he just 00:33:54.300 already has had this like crazy emotional intelligence since I was... as 00:33:58.500 long as I can remember. And now that he's a therapist, it's like he has the actual 00:34:03.000 terminology and specific kind of like things that they... little acronyms and 00:34:08.620 they tell you in therapy. But he... It's been really cool. He's only been an actual therapist 00:34:14.380 for like three or four years, which is like right when I needed it. I was like, This is great. 00:34:19.340 So yeah, it's been... It's cool because it's just more for advice. And also in general, 00:34:24.540 just talking to my parents is always really cool because I think they've lived double the amount 00:34:32.380 of life that I have. So whenever I'm dwelling on something or think something is the end of 00:34:37.260 end of the world, they're kind of just like, Girl, it's really not. Really, you're going 00:34:41.460 to be fine. Because they just have so much more experience. And I really do take what 00:34:45.500 they say with so much weight because they just know more than I do. And there's a lot 00:34:49.600 of things like even younger siblings or teenagers now, if they're saying something that as somebody 00:34:55.240 that's kind of lived a little bit more life, you're like, Okay, you just wait. You'll 00:34:59.220 learn at some point. But everyone has to go through those things. So I always take 00:35:03.500 what my parents say with a lot of weight for that reason. 00:35:06.700 Don't you worry about overthinking things 00:35:08.400 'cause I'm 36 and I still do it. 00:35:10.820 I just think it's a natural part of the human emotion. 00:35:15.300 Especially, you know, you and I were both anxious people. 00:35:18.560 So, you know, we both let that feed 00:35:21.120 into who we are as people. 00:35:22.540 Yeah, and I think people that like care about art a lot 00:35:25.200 and like music and all this stuff, 00:35:26.640 like we're both into, it's like, you, it's almost worse. 00:35:30.560 'Cause I'm like, as an artist, 00:35:31.660 like I'm just already like thinking 00:35:33.060 of everything constantly and like, 00:35:34.440 that's how it turns into art. 00:35:36.680 But I also don't want to completely cut off that part of my brain because it 00:35:39.920 leads to great things. You know what I mean? So it's just like, 00:35:42.460 it's the artist way, I think. 00:35:43.880 And over the last few years, 00:35:46.200 since you're in this period of discovering who you really are and your 00:35:50.160 self-discovery, 00:35:51.000 what is something that you discovered about yourself and your music journey so 00:35:54.760 far that has perhaps been unexpected? 00:35:56.720 I think, I don't know if I've had any like epiphanies. 00:36:00.720 I think if I have, I haven't thought that much about them, 00:36:05.320 But I've definitely like, I think it's less about like specific things that I've realized and more so that I'm changing constantly. 00:36:13.120 I think music changes constantly. 00:36:16.160 The pop landscape changes, the rock landscape changes. 00:36:18.920 Everything is at such a high speed that it's like every six months or a year, I'll kind of pivot just slightly. 00:36:28.240 And like, it's been really fun to know that about myself now, I think. 00:36:33.000 So I guess it is some sort of realization that I am constantly excited to see who I'm 00:36:38.680 going to be and what I'm going to want to say sonically every six months to a year because 00:36:43.040 it changes. And I think it does for everyone. The next project you make, you're going to 00:36:46.720 be talking about different things and you'll want to reference different artists. And it's 00:36:53.680 really fun that it's never... It's just the best job to have really, because it's never 00:36:58.380 the same. And I've really nurtured that part of myself versus being frustrated that I'm 00:37:05.280 constantly wanting to do different things. Because I think it can get really overwhelming 00:37:09.020 if you can't pin down what you want. But I actually think it's a really great skill to 00:37:15.420 understand so many different sounds sonically and musically that you can't... It overwhelms 00:37:21.380 you. That's such a great thing to have where you're like, I just want to do so many things 00:37:25.460 that I have to pin down one at a time what I want to do. 00:37:28.020 But it's just really fun to never know what I'm going to be doing in six months from now. 00:37:32.940 It's kind of scary but also really exciting. 00:37:35.900 You want to do so many different things, especially genre-wise. 00:37:39.260 What's a genre that you'd like to dip into next if you had the option of choosing? 00:37:45.460 So I kind of am doing something super secret. 00:37:50.020 That I will say. 00:37:54.220 No one knows about it, but I will say that the genre that it dips into is kind of this 00:38:00.100 like 80s like synthy goth type thing, which I'm so... 00:38:04.580 It's just so cool to do stuff that you've never done. 00:38:07.820 And it inspires so much stuff that you wouldn't have otherwise thought of. 00:38:12.980 I think it would also like... 00:38:13.980 This is not something... 00:38:15.060 This is not super secret. 00:38:16.060 Like I'm not working on anything like this, but in the future, I'm one of those people 00:38:20.300 I don't know why I would love to do country music at some point because I just love country 00:38:24.880 music. I think that there's so many people that would be like, That's horrid. And why 00:38:28.520 would you want to do that? But I just think it's cool. I think there's a lot of classic 00:38:33.200 country. When I'm saying country, I'm not going to need a radio country act. I love 00:38:38.860 Johnny Cash. I love a lot of classic country that I think is just so incredible. 00:38:45.280 I guess on the more pop side, I love Kacey Musgraves. I think there's a lot of really 00:38:48.320 cool things to reference there. But I just, there's no genre that goes untouched for me. 00:38:55.480 Like I really just want to do everything. But in the immediate, yeah, I've been working 00:38:59.200 with a, I've been doing a lot of like synthy stuff, a lot of like more dance pop for something, 00:39:06.400 something else. And I'm really, really excited about it. So it's been fun. 00:39:09.720 And hey, everybody has their folk country album. 00:39:12.440 Yeah, that's true. Like I could just do it really. 00:39:16.400 Exactly. So I know you're still a relatively younger artist, but if you had to think, I 00:39:23.400 love asking this question, what is one of the funniest memories you've had so far? 00:39:29.120 I'm like, I have no idea what like a funny experience of mine has been. I'm trying to 00:39:33.920 think. I guess like the funniest stuff is like always on tour usually. Like tour is 00:39:40.000 just such a weird, it's like, I don't think people know that like humans just aren't built 00:39:45.720 for touring. It's really just insane. The last tour I went on, it was just... It was 00:39:52.480 so... It was just a lot. The last tour I went on, it was me and my manager and a drummer. 00:40:01.480 And we're all in a minivan. So there's so many things that happened that I didn't talk 00:40:04.640 about. We got pulled over by the cops because they thought we had drugs in the van. Just 00:40:08.320 because we had a huge... We just had a huge drum kit and a minivan with three women. 00:40:14.280 And we're like, we're officer, we swear we're not smuggling anything. 00:40:17.520 We're in Kansas right now. 00:40:19.780 We're just like, I don't know what to tell you. 00:40:22.520 And then there was like, you know, there's a couple nights, not gonna lie. 00:40:26.440 Like, you know, things got a little crazy. 00:40:28.240 They had to drag me out of a bar. 00:40:31.320 There was one morning I threw up like six times. 00:40:34.080 Tour is just like, it's brutal, but it's so fun. 00:40:37.440 I think, you know, there's like such funny moments that happen on stage, like tracks. 00:40:43.160 I actually know what was really fun is I did a college show in Minnesota recently. 00:40:50.040 And they were like, Yeah, it's called the Spring Jam. 00:40:52.680 It's going to be... 00:40:53.680 It's kind of like to welcome the spring and when it finally gets hot out, it's going to 00:40:59.080 be so fun. 00:41:00.080 It was 25 degrees. 00:41:01.080 25 degrees. 00:41:02.080 So I get on stage and I'm like, I have to wear my jacket. 00:41:07.000 And I'm wearing gloves and I'm shaking. 00:41:10.120 But it was so fun. 00:41:11.120 Like, that sounds like it's nerve-wracking, but it was actually so funny because I was 00:41:15.000 just jumping around purely for the warmth. 00:41:18.500 And it was like, I gave no... 00:41:20.720 I just did not care at all because it was just so ridiculous and so cold. 00:41:24.920 And everyone in the crowd was just like... 00:41:27.440 They're like, Ooh, we're trying to hype you up because we know this shit sucks. 00:41:30.800 It's so cold. 00:41:31.800 So there's just a lot of moments like that that end up being my favorite moments because 00:41:36.720 it's so human and so just kind of hilarious that I love being candid on stage. I love 00:41:44.280 making jokes. I get a kick out of it. I'm a comedian for a second. I just like when 00:41:53.120 things go wrong sometimes it's just pure comedy to me. 00:41:58.160 I did open your Reddit, subreddit. I don't know if you know you have a subreddit, but 00:42:03.000 you do. 00:42:04.000 I haven't checked in a long time. 00:42:06.200 And I opened up questions to them and as asked on Reddit, are you still actively practicing 00:42:12.880 witchcraft for the sake of your creative process? 00:42:16.520 Ooh, yeah. 00:42:17.800 So this is a, this is an interesting one. 00:42:20.200 No, actually I don't practice anymore. 00:42:22.520 I didn't start practicing though for music. 00:42:25.680 So I think like, I'm not sure if people, I think people started finding out that I practice 00:42:29.080 because I had talked about it in relation to my music. 00:42:31.800 I like started talking about witchcraft. 00:42:33.560 I made a music video inspired by witchcraft. 00:42:36.200 And I had a video go viral where I was talking about doing a spell for a song. 00:42:42.480 But I just something in me... 00:42:45.280 I practiced since I was 17. 00:42:46.840 That's what I was saying. It's not really... It wasn't about music. 00:42:49.440 It was just something that I did for six or seven years. 00:42:53.520 Like nothing... There was nothing that happened that I was like, 00:42:55.560 I need to stop doing this. 00:42:56.480 But I just last year, 00:42:57.960 I found... It was about 14 months and I never did... 00:43:02.600 hadn't done a spell, hadn't done a ritual, 00:43:04.240 I was like, Oh, I think I'm just kind of growing 00:43:06.480 out of this. 00:43:07.320 It doesn't feel like something 00:43:09.480 I'm passionate about anymore. 00:43:12.080 I also come from a very religious family. 00:43:14.200 So I think I personally, 00:43:16.800 this is no dig to anyone that does witchcraft, 00:43:18.800 this is my own issues. 00:43:20.560 I felt like I was trying to fill a God-shaped hole 00:43:24.440 with witchcraft. 00:43:25.440 I was like, Oh, me doing these rituals and spells 00:43:27.680 is like me praying. 00:43:28.880 This was me trying to take control over my own spiritual experience. 00:43:33.800 So I think I just felt kind of disconnected with it. But for a while, yeah, 00:43:37.760 I was practicing. I still have all my stuff. 00:43:41.760 I have a crystal ball over here, right here I have candles. 00:43:44.240 I have the whole shebang. I just took a break for a while. I think it's, 00:43:47.760 I don't know. I'm very much like, 00:43:50.600 everything in my life is kind of fluid and I kind of play it by ear and it 00:43:54.120 didn't, just hasn't felt like something I've connected with for a bit, 00:43:57.360 But I did definitely do it for a while. 00:43:59.640 I think that's cool. I actually like haven't been able to discuss that. 00:44:03.420 So I think that's really interesting. 00:44:04.460 Perfect. Just to wrap up the podcast, 00:44:08.300 is there anything else that you would like to share with people listening in? 00:44:12.580 What does the future hold for Kaylee Morgue? 00:44:14.740 Ooh, well, first of all, um, thank you for listening this far. 00:44:18.900 I always like want to give people a little treat of like thanking them after a 00:44:22.980 long interview. Thank you for being here. And you know, 00:44:26.860 Stream Girl next door, Stream in my head. Me and Mike have been working on some 00:44:31.300 stuff I'm really excited about. The whole Kailee Morgue project is just something 00:44:35.340 that I've had a lot of fun exploring and figuring out what the next sound is. I've 00:44:39.740 been digging into some Queen-inspired stuff, some 50s-inspired stuff. So we're 00:44:46.060 definitely putting together some sort of project there. And then like I was saying 00:44:49.300 earlier, I have a super, super secret side project that's in the works that I'm 00:44:54.820 beyond excited for and it just feels like it's going to be massive. So just keep an eye out, 00:44:59.940 I think, and look for any Easter eggs because they will be there. 00:45:02.660 And that brings us to the end of this episode. I'd like to thank Kailee for joining us today and for 00:45:15.700 being such an incredible guest. Please be sure to stream her debut album, The Girl Next Door, 00:45:20.980 as well as her collaboration In My Head with Mike Shinoda on streaming services worldwide. 00:45:26.020 My name is Derek Oswald. Thanks for listening.